Article from: Journal of Creation 30(2):12-14 August 2016
Quasars are very high redshift (figure 1) astronomical objects with broad emission line (BEL) spectra. The latter is very different to that in the usual ‘normal’ galaxies. This means the objects’ redshifts and BEL spectra can be used to identify them.
And because of their high redshifts they are assumed to be very distant, very luminous active galaxies with super-massive black holes at their hearts, powering them to emit prodigious amounts of radiation over all wavebands of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Most of the high redshift objects in the universe are quasars. The redshifts of galaxies and quasars when interpreted within big bang cosmology—the greater the redshift the greater the distance—means that the most distant objects are seen at a time when the universe was youngest.1
Following big bang thinking, quasars are then considered to be just galaxies in some early stage of development—back closer in time to the big bang—than the usual spiral and elliptical galaxies we might see with much lower redshifts.
The quasar 3C 273, shown in figure 2, the first to be identified (discovered in the early 1960s by astronomer Allan Sandage), has been shown to reside in a giant elliptical galaxy in the constellation of Virgo. According to standard cosmology, its redshift puts it at a distance of 2.5 billion light years from Earth.
Quasar to galaxy transitions
According to the big bang theory, how long should a quasar remain in the form of a quasar before transitioning into a normal galaxy and how long should that transition take? Quite obviously the answer to that question depends on one having a correct understanding of what quasars actually are and an accurate model describing their evolution.
It would be no underestimate to state that an accurate model for galaxy formation, let alone a transition from a quasar to a normal field galaxy, is far from being known. The formation of a galaxy alone requires the invoking of a very large dark matter content and often ‘jumping over’ the important details of star formation just to obtain something that looks like a galaxy. This means there are physical laws in this universe that create barriers in computer simulations preventing the formation of stars and hence galaxies. It is these that must be ‘jumped over’ in order that the simulations may proceed.2
We can assume that quasars have masses comparable to that of most galaxies. From that it follows then that naturalistic changes—that is, uniformitarian changes—can be expected to be of the order of one billion years.3
Without any real model for the changes expected in quasars, it may not be too unreasonable to expect any changes in their luminosity to be over uniformitarian timescales, and fuelled by growth of their supermassive black holes, as some propose. By contrast, according to the Genesis 1 narrative, God took one 24-hour day to create all astronomical objects, therefore we expect at creation that the youngest sources (which could include quasars) have very quickly changing observable features, such as luminosity.
Yet very rapid changes, even down to timescales of days and weeks, in the observed luminosity of quasars have been recorded.4,5 One suggestion is that those variations are caused by microlensing6 and another is obscuration by dust, but these mechanisms are considered to be too long.7 Another is the rapid consumption of a passing star or gas and dust by the central supermassive black hole.
Such proposals are offered because changes on such short timescales are not expected from the growth of the alleged supermassive black holes at the heart of the quasars.
Now we read in an online news report8 that astronomers think they have detected a dozen quasars in a disappearing act—the so-called ‘changing-look quasars’. Or they have been caught transitioning into their quiescent and dimmer counterparts—galaxies with starving black holes at their cores. This fact has left astronomers asking whether these objects are shutting down permanently or simply flickering out for the time being.
“Last year Stephanie LaMassa from NASA Goddard Space Flight Center (then at Yale University) discovered the greatest change in luminosity ever detected in a quasar. She was digging through data from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey when she found that a quasar had dimmed in brightness by a factor of six in just 10 years. Its spectrum changed, too, from that of a classic quasar to a regular galaxy [emphasis added].”8
Because astronomers believe in the very long timescale big bang paradigm they are forced to suggest any rapid dimming in the luminosity of any quasar must be either a transient effect or the very rare chance of observing the fuel exhausted from a supermassive black hole. One report states that:
“Astronomers can’t find any sign of the black hole at the center of the quasar SDSS J1011+5442, and they couldn’t be happier.”9
In the case of this quasar (see figure 3) it is alleged that:
“… over the past ten years, it appears to have swallowed all the gas in its vicinity. With the gas fallen into the black hole, astronomers from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (SDSS) were unable to detect the spectroscopic signature of the quasar, which now appears as an otherwise normal galaxy [emphasis added].”9
The dimming was very significant and now appears like a normal galaxy.
“‘The difference was stunning and unprecedented,’ said John Ruan of the University of Washington, lead author of a related paper … . ‘The hydrogen-alpha emission dropped by a factor of 50 in less than twelve years, and the quasar now looks like a normal galaxy.’ The change was so great that throughout the SDSS collaboration and astronomy community, the quasar became known as a ‘changing-look quasar’ [emphasis added].”9
However, one of the newly discovered, rapidly dimming quasar did re-brighten.
“And one of the 12 newly discovered objects did not just disappear but reappear [sic]. Krolik thinks that this lonely quasar blazed back into existence for the same reason that it flickered out: a variation in the gas and dust flowing onto the black hole [emphasis added].”8
Certainly it is possible that the standard interpretation for quasars as AGNs10 powered by a super-massive black hole is one possible explanation. The next step then will be to see if any of the other newly discovered dozen or so quasars re-brighten over the coming years.
A different explanation
A different explanation is one consistent with the work of the late Halton Arp11 where he suggested that quasars are born from the hearts of active parent galaxies.
Over time, which he had no measure of, the ejected quasars transitioned from active, highly luminous, high redshift objects with BEL line spectra to the usual field galaxies with much lower redshifts and typical spectra.
Quasars are ejected in opposite directions from the nucleus of an active galaxy and over time they change their internal state including redshift, which decreases with finite discrete steps towards the commonly observed low redshift in field galaxies. Thus quasars and active galactic nuclei become normal galaxies.
Apparently the idea that quasars or active galactic nuclei could become inactive is not controversial in the big bang universe. But the expected timescale is not less than tens of thousands of years. What LaMassa and her colleagues doubted was that a quasar could go from active to inactive in just 10 years. But this is what these newly discovered, rapidly dimming quasars have established. Rapid changes in the emission properties of the quasars, on timescales very much in line with a creation scenario, are observed. Even their spectra changing from that of a classic quasar to a regular galaxy.9
A biblical creation explanation
So this discovery is consistent with a creation scenario where we expect processes in astronomical sources to be well less than 7,000 years.
In the case of a creation process of galaxies formed from AGNs—the parent galaxies—and the ejected galaxies in the form of quasars, it would be essential that the quasars (at least some of them) have changed to normal galaxies in a period less than the time since Creation, that is less than about 6,000 years.
However, it is also expected that many galaxies were created in their current forms, but if Arp’s evidence for quasars and active galactic nuclei transitioning to normal galaxies is correct, then this is what would be expected in the biblical Creation model.
Here we have an opportunity to see if these rapidly dimmed quasars remain dim or re-brighten. Time will tell.
References and notes
This claim I dispute, as there is evidence that puts this idea in doubt, johnhartnett.org. There is strong evidence, even in the very large galaxy surveys, that suggests a very high probability of high redshift quasars being associated with low redshift parent galaxies. Return to text.
Back of the envelope calculation for the formation of a typical-sized galaxy and hence quasar from the free collapse of a proto-Galactic cloud is of the order of one billion years. See Carroll, B.W. and Ostlie, D.A., An Introduction to Modern Astrophysics, 1st edn, pp. 1074–1075, 1996. Return to text.
Hawkins, M.R.S., Time dilation and quasar variability, Astrophys. J. 553:L97–L100, 2001. Return to text.
Hawkins, M.R.S., On time dilation in quasar light curves, MNRAS 405:1940–1946, 2010. Return to text.
When a quasar is sufficiently aligned with a massive compact foreground object the bending of light due to its gravitational field is distorted, resulting in an observable magnification. The timescale of the transient brightening depends on the mass of the foreground object as well as on the relative proper motion between the background ‘source’ and the foreground ‘lens’ object. Return to text.
MacLeod, C.L. et al., A systematic search for changing-look quasars in SDSS, MNRAS 457(1):389–404, 2016. Return to text.
Hall, S., The Case of the Disappearing Quasars, Scientific American, scientificamerican.com, 23 November 2015. Return to text.
Raddick, J., The Case of the Missing Quasar, SDSS, sdss.org, 6 January 2015. Return to text.
This claim I dispute, as there is evidence that puts this idea in doubt, johnhartnett.org. There is strong evidence, even in the very large galaxy surveys, that suggests a very high probability of high redshift quasars being associated with low redshift parent galaxies.
Back of the envelope calculation for the formation of a typical-sized galaxy and hence quasar from the free collapse of a proto-Galactic cloud is of the order of one billion years. See Carroll, B.W. and Ostlie, D.A., An Introduction to Modern Astrophysics, 1st edn, pp. 1074–1075, 1996.
Hawkins, M.R.S., Time dilation and quasar variability, Astrophys. J. 553:L97–L100, 2001.
Hawkins, M.R.S., On time dilation in quasar light curves, MNRAS 405:1940–1946, 2010.
When a quasar is sufficiently aligned with a massive compact foreground object the bending of light due to its gravitational field is distorted, resulting in an observable magnification. The timescale of the transient brightening depends on the mass of the foreground object as well as on the relative proper motion between the background ‘source’ and the foreground ‘lens’ object.
MacLeod, C.L. et al., A systematic search for changing-look quasars in SDSS, MNRAS 457(1):389–404, 2016.
Hall, S., The Case of the Disappearing Quasars, Scientific American, scientificamerican.com, 23 November 2015.
Raddick, J., The Case of the Missing Quasar, SDSS, sdss.org, 6 January 2015.
Just a speculation: would the ejection of the quasar from its parent galaxy involve a rapid spin?
If so that might account for the initial high red-shift which would disappear as the quasar changes into a normal galaxy as a result of spreading it's arms and slowing down it's spin?
John Hartnett responds
As with most astrophysical objects I would expect it to involve spin. However I don't see any mechanism for spin to generate a redshift.
Kenneth L., Canada, 18 March 2017
I have long been intrigued by spiral galaxies for two reasons:
First, because they would appear to be impossible to observe now, in the Big Bang scenario (and therefore invalidate it), since they would not have retained their spiral arms after a billion years of rotation, and would just be disks now.
Second, they could have not been spirals only a short time ago in their history, which would seem to present an even bigger problem for the Big Bang theory, because if one rewinds time and rewinds spiral galaxies, what would they have looked like?
This is intriguing. A spiral galaxy with two arms would rewind to a straight line, would it not? And one with four arms would rewind to a cross shape, yes? Others would rewind to a variety of different shapes, and they surely could not be rewound past those points of appearing as distinct geometrical shapes, could they? That would seem impossible. So did God make lines (possibly even writing), crosses and other special shapes in the heavens and started them spinning so that they now appear as spirals?
Some enterprising Christian astronomer should rewind some spirals on a computer to the logical first shapes and see what was there to begin with. It might be the final nail in the Big Bang coffin, which it seems to me is unable to explain spiral galaxies, but even more so proto-spirals, if it is shown that spiral galaxies were originally meaningful shapes, or even just shapes that could not have arisen from the naturalistic Big Bang scenario.
Let's rewind spiral galaxies and see what they looked like at their inception. I suspect the results will support Divine creation of the universe, and the Big Bang theory will be hard pressed to explain it and may not survive it. How do you naturallistically explain a cross in the heavens?
Kenneth L., Canada, 18 March 2017
This article intrigued me because it seems to me that Halton Arp's theory of galaxy formation offers a possible explanation for the formation of spiral galaxies, which the Big Bang clearly doesn't. I outlined the Big Bang's problem in my previous message. Spiral galaxies just don't make sense in that scenario. But in Arp's scenario, they could.
It is entirely possible (although this is pure speculation on my part) that God might have used Harp's 'ejection' mechanism to form proto-galaxies in various distinct shapes, many of which then began spinning to become spiral shapes.
Since we appear to observe it in action, this may have been God's mechanism to form all galaxies, including spirals that were originally distinct geometric shapes that could not have arisen naturally and may contain information. Time will tell.
I happened to watch a lecture by Arp on video last night, and on it he stated that he believed in a perpetual steady state universe. Therefore he did not believe in Divine creation, but he does appear to have detected a process of galaxy formation that confounds the Big Bang theory, and has evidence to back it up. For that, I am thankful to God for his work in astronomy. The same goes for the Sloan Digital Sky Survey that has provided good evidence for a universe with a center and an edge (with Earth's galaxy at the center), which is consistent with the Genesis account of creation. Praise and glory forever to God our Father and His risen Son, our great Creator and Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.
John Hartnett responds
Halton Arp, now deceased, was a strong advocate of the Steady State theory. He also did not like biblical creationists and even wrote in his book "Seeing Red" a section on that topic. The irony is that I have collaborated with him on supervising a PhD student and we are working on publishing a paper on galaxy-quasar associations, Fulton (formerly the PhD student), Arp and myself. And Arp and Fulton are aware that I am a biblical creationist, but we share the common goal of undermining the big bang.
Jeff C., United States, 18 March 2017
Putting on my "evolutionist's hat" for just a moment, how would the nearness of a quasar to a galaxy effect the formation of life in said galaxy? The evolutionists discuss the concept of "goldilocks" zones in solar systems and galaxies. But wouldn't the nearness of a quasar, with its radiation output, prevent the formation of life? Just thinking from their perspective.
John Hartnett responds
High radiation levels would not make it conducive to life. That's for sure.
graham P., New Zealand, 18 March 2017
Great article! Does the Red-shift change too? If so, Halton Arp would be vindicated: Surely any Red-shift change would be a death-blow to the standard model?
John Hartnett responds
Good question! There is no indication of a change in redshift (hence not in accordance with the Arp model there so far) in the published literature. The phenomenon discussing the rapid changes in the luminosity and spectral properties of these changing-look quasars.
Kent W., United States, 18 March 2017
Maybe I missed the point being made, or maybe I'm incorrect in my understanding, but if:
A."the greater the redshift the greater the distance"
B. an object in space significantly shifts from a high redshift to a low one
then wouldn't that mean that the object had moved significantly closer to us?
It seems more likely to me that redshift is not an indicator of distance. But as I say, my understanding could be off.
John Hartnett responds
The main point of Arp's work is to suggest that there is, at least, one component of redshift of quasars that is intrinsic and not related to distance. His theory has the intrinsic redshift component decreasing for the ejected matter (quasar).
Nathan G., Germany, 18 March 2017
You wrote that: "because of their high redshifts they are assumed to be very distant, very luminous active galaxies with super-massive black holes at their hearts, powering them to emit prodigious amounts of radiation over all wavebands of the electromagnetic spectrum."
Special forces soldiers warn people to never assume anything, since it "Makes an ass out of u and me".
Not being an astronomer or astrophysicist, several questions immediately come into mind:
1) What is the closest quasar to us? Are there quasars so close to Earth that the "long ago and far away" story collapses without further evidence? Are there any in the Milky Way galaxy?
2) What if black holes, which are notoriously difficult to prove directly due to their alleged properties, are less-than-massive (or even less-than-existent) near the quasars in question?
3) How can a "science" like cosmology, which has no direct access to its own astral laboratory, let alone the individual stars and galaxies, make such claims for very distant objects, when the planets, moons, comets, etc. in our own solar system do not meet their expectations? For example, Spike Psarris has made some rather interesting videos about just this problem, including the dynamo theory's sulphur disaster, the accretion theory gum-up, the reliance on lucky asteroid collisions in (every) case of doubt, etc.
John Hartnett responds
The question of closeness to us for quasars is part of the debate (lead by Arp and others) that if the redshifts of quasars is largely intrinsic and not cosmological then they could be much closer that their Hubble distance calculated with their redshifts. There some controversial claims of micro-quasars. There are measurements of their absolute motion putting them within the Galaxy. It will be interesting to see where that leads.